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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number

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saunders here with you from sydney

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australia this week's episode of the

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skeptic zone is devoted to a special

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extended interview with tim mandum tim

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bendum a long time skeptic in australia

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he's currently the editor of the skeptic

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magazine the second oldest skeptical

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now this is the australian one not to be

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confused with the

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skeptic magazine in the u.s or the

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skeptic magazine in the uk

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this is the skeptic from australian

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skeptics tim has many experiences to

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in this interview with maynard and

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skeptics tim is our front man the man on

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interesting correspondence so this week

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it's an extended interview with tim

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of the interview i think you'll find

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everything tim says very interesting

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and uh tim offers you the chance to

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stay tuned for details

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but in other news we might say in other

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whooping cough is making somewhat of a

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herd immunity we might be following up

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this story in the coming weeks not a

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good situation but in happier news you

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country let me just bring your attention

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the uh canberra skeptics at

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i just don't know

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dr michael smithson and he's going to be

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speaking from 6 p.m till 7 30 p.m at the

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ainslie football club more information

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for that free talk

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if you know anybody who lives in

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canberra no matter where you're

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tell them about the website lots of

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talks come up in canberra it's really

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good they have talks throughout the year

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with their skeptics cafe

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here's maynard's spooky action

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we're hanging in a leaky hotel in forest

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intriguing in the way that science

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the more you study the skepticism the

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there's never a definitive answer in it

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things are naturally aha i've got you i

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what's the biggest argument you've had

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really got into it and perhaps you maybe

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you should have it because it was a

279
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bottomless pit of arguing i think a lot

280
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of the bottom switch uh i'm the classic

281
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fool's rushing

282
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definitely not an angel um

283
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there's been times where it got physical

284
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oh really oh yeah get out no really

285
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right and so would this be a psychic

286
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claim so you're actually stopping

287
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someone from earning a living there

288
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would that be that sort of thing

289
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involved no no just an argument over a

290
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it's it gets it gets serious sometimes i

291
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mean uh i've had certainly had people

292
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seriously abuse me um over the phone i

293
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won't use the words that they used and

294
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this is a family show isn't it well i

295
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believe the word falcon was used and the

296
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c word was used um someone called you

297
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clever

298
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i don't think i've ever been called

299
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cleveland

300
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but yes yes definitely every alphabet

301
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works you can think of

302
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was used uh against me it's actually

303
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started for someone who wanted to go for

304
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our challenge you know we've got this

305
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hundred thousand dollar challenge um and

306
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this person applied over the phone um

307
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with a message

308
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on the phone and he said i want to go

309
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for your challenge and uh i've got i got

310
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this

311
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particular talent and uh i really need

312
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the money but i know you're a bunch of

313
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scammers and then he got into it and was

314
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swearing and swearing and swinging for

315
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the full length you're allowed

316
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on the on the um

317
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on the message he finally got me on the

318
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phone live and i was prepared for him

319
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then because i'd heard his messages and

320
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he did exactly the same thing so i had

321
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to say to him nana

322
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be quiet right i'm not going to answer

323
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your questions if you talk like that it

324
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was really nasty it was really very

325
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nasty and then i finally said okay i'm

326
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going to hang up

327
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yeah if you're not going to be nice i'm

328
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going to hang up so i hung up never

329
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heard back from him

330
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um yeah so he's basically he just wanted

331
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to say he's peace he just wanted to be a

332
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pest and then bugger off what you want

333
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to do but he did it several times he

334
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left several messages on the phone

335
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that's part of the problem actually that

336
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um i'm the current front man person

337
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uh person man

338
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for the skeptics so i'm the one that

339
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answers the phone and the mail

340
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and you tend to get that actually now

341
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the last time you had your i believe was

342
00:12:02,230 --> 00:12:00,720
ten thousand dollars challenge isn't it

343
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it was initially at ten thousand dollars

344
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in the very first instance actually when

345
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i first joined which was

346
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30 odd years ago

347
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it was initially ten thousand dollars

348
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and then people sort of figured out

349
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they don't think that serious amount so

350
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it was up to a hundred thousand dollars

351
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we still got that we actually got a

352
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hundred thousand dollars the last one i

353
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heard of was someone who could uh send a

354
00:12:24,069 --> 00:12:21,760
message across the world and you had

355
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people in new york and people here

356
00:12:27,350 --> 00:12:25,760
trying to uh he was trying to

357
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communicate with someone telepathically

358
00:12:32,389 --> 00:12:29,760
that way and it didn't quite come off

359
00:12:34,150 --> 00:12:32,399
so well but you spent a lot of time

360
00:12:37,269 --> 00:12:34,160
getting that one organized all for

361
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naught yeah he was a fellow who was so

362
00:12:40,069 --> 00:12:38,800
he corresponded with us through a

363
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solicitor

364
00:12:45,030 --> 00:12:43,279
i think that this was a fairly strange

365
00:12:47,590 --> 00:12:45,040
fellow he could transmit messages from a

366
00:12:48,949 --> 00:12:47,600
list of names of animals names of people

367
00:12:51,590 --> 00:12:48,959
names or whatever

368
00:12:53,750 --> 00:12:51,600
um which would chosen by random to a his

369
00:12:55,430 --> 00:12:53,760
recipients who are in new york

370
00:12:57,350 --> 00:12:55,440
um so we had to find a good location

371
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where they could uh

372
00:13:00,389 --> 00:12:58,880
do this they could receive the message

373
00:13:01,750 --> 00:13:00,399
and we had our there were new york

374
00:13:03,829 --> 00:13:01,760
skeptics who were sort of working with

375
00:13:05,509 --> 00:13:03,839
us who were it was a winter's day in new

376
00:13:07,670 --> 00:13:05,519
york understanding on a corner and they

377
00:13:10,230 --> 00:13:07,680
were freezing to this and then we're

378
00:13:12,790 --> 00:13:10,240
waiting for these new york um message

379
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recipients to turn up and they never did

380
00:13:15,269 --> 00:13:14,240
so the phone calls going back and forth

381
00:13:17,430 --> 00:13:15,279
what happened to them with that we were

382
00:13:18,870 --> 00:13:17,440
talking this guy and then he found out

383
00:13:21,110 --> 00:13:18,880
i'm not quite sure how he did but he

384
00:13:22,550 --> 00:13:21,120
found out that they were stuck in a lift

385
00:13:24,069 --> 00:13:22,560
and they couldn't get a phone connection

386
00:13:25,590 --> 00:13:24,079
but never quite sure how he found that

387
00:13:27,190 --> 00:13:25,600
out

388
00:13:28,870 --> 00:13:27,200
yeah i know but i mean it certainly and

389
00:13:30,230 --> 00:13:28,880
therefore we had to just cancel it and

390
00:13:32,870 --> 00:13:30,240
then he said oh i'll come back early

391
00:13:33,990 --> 00:13:32,880
next year and we said no you won't

392
00:13:36,550 --> 00:13:34,000
not until we work something more

393
00:13:38,629 --> 00:13:36,560
definitely out he's never come back

394
00:13:40,310 --> 00:13:38,639
and how many people like knock at the

395
00:13:41,430 --> 00:13:40,320
door kick the tires and never take it

396
00:13:43,829 --> 00:13:41,440
any further with the hundred thousand

397
00:13:45,190 --> 00:13:43,839
dollar challenge uh most of them i would

398
00:13:48,069 --> 00:13:45,200
get someone applying for the challenge

399
00:13:49,590 --> 00:13:48,079
about once a week really yeah and and

400
00:13:50,870 --> 00:13:49,600
and you you let them know how they've

401
00:13:52,150 --> 00:13:50,880
got to apply and then you never hear

402
00:13:53,670 --> 00:13:52,160
from them again yeah absolutely i mean

403
00:13:55,269 --> 00:13:53,680
sort of when they realize we're not not

404
00:13:57,189 --> 00:13:55,279
just good like this fellow who gave the

405
00:13:58,230 --> 00:13:57,199
abusive phone calls uh women they

406
00:14:00,629 --> 00:13:58,240
realize we're not just going to hand

407
00:14:03,509 --> 00:14:00,639
over the money without a test they

408
00:14:07,590 --> 00:14:03,519
disappear so i'd say about i know

409
00:14:09,430 --> 00:14:07,600
into the ether um i'd say about oh

410
00:14:11,430 --> 00:14:09,440
ninety-five percent never get back to us

411
00:14:13,670 --> 00:14:11,440
let's see do they think that just by

412
00:14:15,189 --> 00:14:13,680
applying for it it's like a

413
00:14:16,710 --> 00:14:15,199
disaster relief loan you'll just get the

414
00:14:18,389 --> 00:14:16,720
money straight away with very little

415
00:14:20,069 --> 00:14:18,399
evidence uh absolutely they believe

416
00:14:21,509 --> 00:14:20,079
we're extremely trusting and that

417
00:14:23,110 --> 00:14:21,519
someone says i can do this we say oh

418
00:14:26,629 --> 00:14:23,120
fine here's the money they must

419
00:14:28,710 --> 00:14:26,639
seriously believe that actually wow okay

420
00:14:30,790 --> 00:14:28,720
well what would you like to be true in

421
00:14:32,310 --> 00:14:30,800
the realm of the paranormal what what

422
00:14:33,430 --> 00:14:32,320
what would you like to be true what

423
00:14:35,430 --> 00:14:33,440
would you think well that'd be great if

424
00:14:36,550 --> 00:14:35,440
that was actually proven i've got a soft

425
00:14:39,189 --> 00:14:36,560
spot for

426
00:14:40,470 --> 00:14:39,199
big worms as in the loch ness monster

427
00:14:41,189 --> 00:14:40,480
oh i thought you might have been talking

428
00:14:42,550 --> 00:14:41,199
the

429
00:14:45,670 --> 00:14:42,560
mongolian

430
00:14:47,350 --> 00:14:45,680
worm or the with the one that lives in

431
00:14:48,710 --> 00:14:47,360
victoria something there's a huge worm

432
00:14:49,990 --> 00:14:48,720
there that's sort of meters and meters

433
00:14:51,189 --> 00:14:50,000
long actually yeah

434
00:14:52,150 --> 00:14:51,199
now this is the loch ness monster i've

435
00:14:54,550 --> 00:14:52,160
always been keen on the loch ness

436
00:14:56,389 --> 00:14:54,560
sponsor it sounds cute cuddly i've been

437
00:14:57,509 --> 00:14:56,399
there three times looking for the loch

438
00:14:59,590 --> 00:14:57,519
ness monster

439
00:15:01,910 --> 00:14:59,600
yeah close as well not looking and just

440
00:15:03,350 --> 00:15:01,920
driving through stopping at the pub but

441
00:15:04,870 --> 00:15:03,360
i mean the closest i've actually come to

442
00:15:06,710 --> 00:15:04,880
seeing a loch ness monster was a

443
00:15:08,710 --> 00:15:06,720
roadside uh van you know they had that

444
00:15:10,550 --> 00:15:08,720
in the uk little van selling food in the

445
00:15:12,949 --> 00:15:10,560
middle of nowhere uh he was selling

446
00:15:15,189 --> 00:15:12,959
monster burgers i thought you bastard

447
00:15:17,670 --> 00:15:15,199
you found him and cut him up he's now on

448
00:15:19,509 --> 00:15:17,680
your grill but no i think there's a loch

449
00:15:21,430 --> 00:15:19,519
ness monster museum

450
00:15:22,550 --> 00:15:21,440
at a place called that i can't pronounce

451
00:15:25,430 --> 00:15:22,560
um

452
00:15:26,870 --> 00:15:25,440
brooker or thunder drocket

453
00:15:28,790 --> 00:15:26,880
pardon my scottish pronunciation it's

454
00:15:30,150 --> 00:15:28,800
appalling uh with this block dust

455
00:15:32,069 --> 00:15:30,160
monster museum which has changed each

456
00:15:34,069 --> 00:15:32,079
time i've been there oh it's got more

457
00:15:35,990 --> 00:15:34,079
and more sophisticated more and more

458
00:15:37,590 --> 00:15:36,000
skeptical and it's less interesting each

459
00:15:39,269 --> 00:15:37,600
time i loved it when it was a little

460
00:15:40,629 --> 00:15:39,279
cottage which said the loch ness

461
00:15:42,550 --> 00:15:40,639
monsters out there and you got to be

462
00:15:44,470 --> 00:15:42,560
like oh yeah octaneu you got to believe

463
00:15:46,310 --> 00:15:44,480
it you know whatever and that was when

464
00:15:48,069 --> 00:15:46,320
it was fun but when you get the people

465
00:15:49,269 --> 00:15:48,079
getting serious i love it it's a lovely

466
00:15:51,350 --> 00:15:49,279
place you should go it's just a great

467
00:15:52,710 --> 00:15:51,360
scenery there's a great pub on the south

468
00:15:54,389 --> 00:15:52,720
side which no one goes to which has

469
00:15:56,470 --> 00:15:54,399
great chops

470
00:15:57,829 --> 00:15:56,480
and of course blocks this monster's been

471
00:15:59,110 --> 00:15:57,839
known for yonks and of course we're just

472
00:16:01,269 --> 00:15:59,120
talking about the ancient alien things

473
00:16:02,629 --> 00:16:01,279
being around for a while how do you try

474
00:16:04,710 --> 00:16:02,639
and keep your

475
00:16:06,230 --> 00:16:04,720
fresh skepticism going when everything

476
00:16:07,590 --> 00:16:06,240
seems to be coming back around again is

477
00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:07,600
there anything new you've seen that

478
00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:09,040
hasn't come up before

479
00:16:12,629 --> 00:16:10,320
um

480
00:16:16,230 --> 00:16:14,389
it does go in cycles

481
00:16:17,590 --> 00:16:16,240
that is part of the frustration

482
00:16:19,030 --> 00:16:17,600
the interesting thing is you know i'm

483
00:16:21,269 --> 00:16:19,040
doing the magazine now the magazine's

484
00:16:23,509 --> 00:16:21,279
going for 35 years you look at the very

485
00:16:25,509 --> 00:16:23,519
first issue and everything was psychics

486
00:16:27,430 --> 00:16:25,519
and predictions and blah blah blah the

487
00:16:28,870 --> 00:16:27,440
only medical thing we had in that first

488
00:16:29,990 --> 00:16:28,880
issue which was a major four-page

489
00:16:32,230 --> 00:16:30,000
tabloid

490
00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:32,240
so it was a major endeavor um

491
00:16:36,150 --> 00:16:34,240
it was a three back in the day was it

492
00:16:37,910 --> 00:16:36,160
yeah it was eight three yep there's only

493
00:16:40,389 --> 00:16:37,920
four pages so

494
00:16:42,629 --> 00:16:40,399
it's a lot bigger now folks um

495
00:16:44,310 --> 00:16:42,639
what's the story about psychic surgery

496
00:16:45,670 --> 00:16:44,320
now you remember it's like

497
00:16:47,030 --> 00:16:45,680
at that time was done in the philippines

498
00:16:48,230 --> 00:16:47,040
was it a lot in the philippines yeah

499
00:16:50,069 --> 00:16:48,240
some people used to dig their hands

500
00:16:51,430 --> 00:16:50,079
supposedly into your body and pull out

501
00:16:52,550 --> 00:16:51,440
the cancerous tumors and that sort of

502
00:16:53,990 --> 00:16:52,560
thing but it always turned out to be

503
00:16:56,470 --> 00:16:54,000
chicken giblets

504
00:16:58,550 --> 00:16:56,480
right um it was sad because people were

505
00:16:59,749 --> 00:16:58,560
getting ripped off and made convinced

506
00:17:01,110 --> 00:16:59,759
that they were cured people were coming

507
00:17:02,389 --> 00:17:01,120
from all different places in the world

508
00:17:03,509 --> 00:17:02,399
to do this

509
00:17:05,669 --> 00:17:03,519
the interesting thing is that never

510
00:17:07,029 --> 00:17:05,679
really come back that was after a few

511
00:17:08,949 --> 00:17:07,039
years that was around and then it just

512
00:17:11,590 --> 00:17:08,959
died out and i really don't recall much

513
00:17:14,710 --> 00:17:11,600
of um psychic surgery going on but since

514
00:17:16,949 --> 00:17:14,720
then the mix between ufos and astrology

515
00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:16,959
and loch ness monsters and things has

516
00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:19,439
shifted a lot towards the medical areas

517
00:17:23,029 --> 00:17:20,799
and to a certain extent has become a lot

518
00:17:24,069 --> 00:17:23,039
more serious psychic surgery was sad

519
00:17:25,590 --> 00:17:24,079
pathetic

520
00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:25,600
but it was weird

521
00:17:28,309 --> 00:17:26,720
now you're talking about the people who

522
00:17:29,669 --> 00:17:28,319
claim to be accurate in the homeopathy

523
00:17:32,070 --> 00:17:29,679
areas etc

524
00:17:33,750 --> 00:17:32,080
well homeopathy we're continually told

525
00:17:36,870 --> 00:17:33,760
is a fairly

526
00:17:39,270 --> 00:17:36,880
old practice so what what what must have

527
00:17:40,470 --> 00:17:39,280
been going on in the 70s and 80s

528
00:17:44,070 --> 00:17:40,480
yeah but i think it's received more

529
00:17:45,909 --> 00:17:44,080
publicity thanks to the the social media

530
00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:45,919
in quotes which always worries me

531
00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:47,120
actually that you know social media

532
00:17:50,150 --> 00:17:48,720
endorses anything going

533
00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:50,160
um

534
00:17:54,150 --> 00:17:51,760
that yeah it's what happened 200 years

535
00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:54,160
ago was sort of developed in the first

536
00:17:57,590 --> 00:17:56,320
place so it has been around a long time

537
00:18:00,470 --> 00:17:57,600
um but it's just got a lot more

538
00:18:02,390 --> 00:18:00,480
publicity because publicity can be got

539
00:18:03,430 --> 00:18:02,400
more easily these days but at the same

540
00:18:04,870 --> 00:18:03,440
time

541
00:18:06,310 --> 00:18:04,880
when you

542
00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:06,320
put yourself up in the limelight and

543
00:18:09,350 --> 00:18:07,600
saying you're obviously done you tend to

544
00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:09,360
get noticed more and you tend to get

545
00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:10,880
criticized more that's also the case for

546
00:18:17,350 --> 00:18:14,080
the skeptics yeah well of course science

547
00:18:19,029 --> 00:18:17,360
doesn't explain everything tim

548
00:18:21,029 --> 00:18:19,039
no it doesn't explain why we get music

549
00:18:22,630 --> 00:18:21,039
here from the same era that's when i was

550
00:18:24,150 --> 00:18:22,640
at uni now i'd like to do an experiment

551
00:18:26,630 --> 00:18:24,160
on that actually that's probably just

552
00:18:28,150 --> 00:18:26,640
the the law of large numbers and large

553
00:18:29,190 --> 00:18:28,160
playlists

554
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uh

555
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large numbers

556
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we're looking around here in the park in

557
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the middle of it what day is it tuesday

558
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and uh

559
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not exactly large numbers here may not

560
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yet

561
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look tell me

562
00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:42,640
you

563
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so

564
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with this big boon where people can like

565
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set themselves up and there's very

566
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little oversight because

567
00:18:53,669 --> 00:18:52,000
there's like you know if you're the a

568
00:18:56,230 --> 00:18:53,679
triple c you've probably got bigger fish

569
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to fry than the occasional homeopath

570
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what is the answer for this

571
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um

572
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to a certain extent the australian

573
00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:01,679
skeptics has been playing the role of

574
00:19:05,909 --> 00:19:04,480
sort of consumer affairs of ideas

575
00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:05,919
okay when that we don't do the chunky

576
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fridges and that sort of thing

577
00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:11,120
the area has always been the paranormal

578
00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:12,640
and pseudoscience which we sort of flip

579
00:19:17,350 --> 00:19:14,640
recently to pseudoscience the paranormal

580
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:17,360
as as the emphasis has changed

581
00:19:21,029 --> 00:19:19,360
we've always played that role often

582
00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:21,039
sometimes unwillingly

583
00:19:25,350 --> 00:19:23,760
because it's not really our job to help

584
00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:25,360
or look after people

585
00:19:29,110 --> 00:19:27,600
certainly we can present what we see is

586
00:19:30,549 --> 00:19:29,120
the truth and we can present you know we

587
00:19:32,470 --> 00:19:30,559
can analyze the evidence people put

588
00:19:34,150 --> 00:19:32,480
forward and that sort of stuff but i

589
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mean we would love all those

590
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organizations like the a triple c and

591
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the h triple c and tga and all these

592
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other groups take a role

593
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and actually you know do something

594
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about about these things and

595
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there's only so much funding for these

596
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organizations and i'd rather that they

597
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look at

598
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banking sector

599
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first

600
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well they do that i mean you know that's

601
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the asic and people like that there's a

602
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lot of bodies around who are doing

603
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regulations et cetera but i mean um i

604
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know and they they tend to look where

605
00:20:06,549 --> 00:20:05,280
the priority is and whether know the big

606
00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:06,559
payoff is

607
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um more bang for their buck etc and uh

608
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so therefore a lot of these things slip

609
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through and unfortunately that's hurting

610
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:15,760
people so that's where we sort of come

611
00:20:19,830 --> 00:20:17,679
in in many instances and sort of to a

612
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:19,840
certain extent fill that gap although

613
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it's not

614
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is it our area yeah i suppose it isn't

615
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:24,160
some

616
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is there anything that you've all been

617
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skeptical of has turned out to be true

618
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:31,200
no

619
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:34,799
honestly um

620
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:36,400
please now now what about something in

621
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:38,480
the uh in the quantum realm the quantum

622
00:20:43,029 --> 00:20:41,200
realm was has made things seem more i

623
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:43,039
mean i know that was done in the 30s but

624
00:20:47,669 --> 00:20:45,520
it seems every every summer people like

625
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,679
to invoke the quantum because things

626
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don't react the way you think they

627
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:50,960
should once you get to that level yeah

628
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you can play paranormal bingo

629
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and although if quantum doesn't come up

630
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in every conversation with someone with

631
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especially doing a health claim and

632
00:21:00,789 --> 00:20:59,200
something like that then you should be

633
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very disappointed

634
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yeah so i mean that crossed up a lot

635
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:05,520
like me

636
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:07,679
they probably don't understand it either

637
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:10,080
look as i've stated on this show i think

638
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:11,600
that we are a three-dimensional

639
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:13,440
projection from a two-dimensional object

640
00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:16,000
that we can't detect i think that is our

641
00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:18,080
reality of course i believe you would

642
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:19,760
say that's an extraordinary claims

643
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:21,600
replies extraordinary evidence but there

644
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:23,679
is mathematics that may support it there

645
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:24,960
may be supporters i personally i'd

646
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:26,159
rather come from a one-dimensional

647
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,720
organization wow and really really burn

648
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:30,480
them abroad

649
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:32,960
you get the point yeah okay

650
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:35,440
yeah i know okay um yeah i know if

651
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:37,120
people are criticizing skeptics so they

652
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:39,039
say they're coming from a a naysayer

653
00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:40,640
point of view yeah and then they would

654
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:42,159
even say that you've got a closed mind

655
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:43,520
because you're not open to these other

656
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:45,600
possibilities tim

657
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:47,679
gosh maynard that's a bit rough um come

658
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:49,360
on like you haven't heard that before

659
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:51,520
how many times how many times if i had a

660
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:54,400
dollar um the my answer to that is is

661
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:55,919
what the skeptics are can be summed up

662
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:58,640
in nine words wow yeah nine words okay

663
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:01,440
count them is any of them clever

664
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:03,039
not particularly they're ordinary so

665
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:04,400
ordinary people can understand them and

666
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:05,840
it works

667
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:08,159
i say i can fly

668
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:09,679
you say

669
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:11,280
show me

670
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:12,480
that's it

671
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:14,000
that's all there is to it right and then

672
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:15,679
you have to work out how somebody's

673
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:17,200
going to prove it to you right what are

674
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:18,480
the protocols and that's where it gets

675
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:20,080
sort of more difficult but that's the

676
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:23,280
basis i say i can fly you say show me

677
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:25,120
and that's really what it's all about so

678
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:27,200
someone makes an extraordinary claim

679
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:28,720
and you have to figure by flying they

680
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:30,320
mean under their own power not in a

681
00:22:34,390 --> 00:22:32,159
plane right you work out all these sort

682
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:34,400
of semantics and logistics and things

683
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:35,840
but that is what it's all about actually

684
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:37,919
that's as simple as that someone makes a

685
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:40,080
claim and we investigate it

686
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:42,080
whenever i say i'm going to do something

687
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:44,080
with the skeptics from anyone from my

688
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:46,080
parents to my friends

689
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:47,360
they clearly

690
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:49,200
don't get it at first what it's about

691
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:51,120
and you well they're skeptical of things

692
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:51,840
they're

693
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:54,880
into size the scientific method and the

694
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:57,120
way science explains things and people

695
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:59,360
think it's a scientific club then

696
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:00,880
do you have is there a shortcut to

697
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:02,720
explaining what a bunch of skeptics are

698
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:04,720
doing in a room talking about stuff

699
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:07,120
apart from my nine word explanation

700
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:08,480
the shortcut is basically saying

701
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:10,480
everyone's a skeptic and the skeptic is

702
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:12,559
about assessing the evidence when you go

703
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:14,880
to decide how you're going to go to work

704
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:17,679
you decide do i walk do i catch a train

705
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:19,600
do i catch a bus do i drive or whatever

706
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:20,880
do i cycle

707
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:22,240
okay that's one thing then you've got to

708
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:23,840
figure out what's going to cost me right

709
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,600
how long is it going to take am i going

710
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:27,280
to get parking the other end or whatever

711
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:28,640
you make a lot of assessments a lot of

712
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:30,000
judgments and then you come to your

713
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:31,039
conclusion

714
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,400
that's being skeptical you look at the

715
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:34,080
evidence you look at the various things

716
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:35,440
and then you ask yourself what's the

717
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:38,080
best solution bingo you go by fridge and

718
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:40,960
you ask what brand how big what color

719
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:42,960
who's the supplier what's the warranty

720
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:44,640
et cetera et cetera and you go through

721
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:45,840
the same sort of variables that's being

722
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,159
a skeptic right it's not a cynic it's a

723
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,400
skeptic you go to choosing a religion

724
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:52,320
and you look at your criteria and they

725
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:58,549
your parents right your family etc

726
00:24:02,070 --> 00:23:59,600
there's

727
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:02,080
what are you worried about and does this

728
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:03,760
calm you down and then you start

729
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:04,720
thinking

730
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:06,400
is there logic and then you actually if

731
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,440
you think about it there's a lot more

732
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:09,200
variables and things to decide upon

733
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:11,039
whether you go to work how you're going

734
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:12,240
to work then there isn't choosing a

735
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:13,520
religion

736
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:14,880
and that's where it comes down to that

737
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,640
the applying that's critical thinking

738
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:18,480
and that is applying that

739
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,559
from everyday

740
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:22,320
activities which we all do

741
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,360
to more serious philosophical issues and

742
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:27,360
on the theological question are there

743
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:30,960
many skeptics that uh are religious

744
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:33,520
um i i know that they exist i just

745
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:35,120
haven't spoken with many and i would

746
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:36,880
enjoy talking with them because it's

747
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,760
almost like you've got to have a

748
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:39,360
dichotomy going there

749
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:41,760
yeah i i find it very personally i find

750
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,279
it very confusing how you can do both

751
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:45,360
quite frankly um for instance the

752
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,960
majority the vast majority of scientists

753
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:48,559
are atheists

754
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:50,480
i i had to explain to me that if you

755
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,440
were a scientist and you were a believer

756
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:55,679
that if you bring your belief into the

757
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:58,080
science it's like playing soccer and

758
00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:00,320
using your hands like you can do the

759
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:02,080
science but as soon as you invoke the

760
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,600
god it's like picking up the football

761
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:05,520
which is not allowed and i could see how

762
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:07,520
you could compartmentalize it that way

763
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:09,120
yeah in a way it's yeah it's playing

764
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:10,559
soccer with your hands and then denying

765
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:12,640
you did it right it's okay it's all

766
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,799
right honestly fine right it's in the

767
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:16,720
rules and you say no it's not it's oh

768
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:18,480
yeah it is but there's an article we

769
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:20,159
have in the latest issue of the magazine

770
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:21,840
actually which i added

771
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:23,840
on cognitive dissonance and the ability

772
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:25,679
of people to have two

773
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:27,360
viewpoints at the same time which is

774
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:30,240
also a great adults only podcast as well

775
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:32,240
for skeptics out there too quite an

776
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:34,080
impressive podcast go but a good night

777
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:35,440
such a great name

778
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:37,200
and what is the actual definition of

779
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,799
cognitive dissonance that's a very good

780
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:40,320
point actually there's a lot of

781
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:41,679
disagreement about it and how many

782
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:44,320
things what come on it's agreement

783
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:45,760
believe it or not there's actually

784
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:48,480
disagreement on things as to how where

785
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,919
it actually applies etc and how many

786
00:26:07,590 --> 00:25:51,360
people who are using the term perhaps

787
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,789
foreign

788
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:13,190
is an award-winning weekly science show

789
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:15,440
in french hosted by a bunch of crazy

790
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:17,039
enthusiasts

791
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:19,520
we are convinced that the greatest ideas

792
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:21,840
in science are quite easy to grasp as

793
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:23,840
long as they are presented with passion

794
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,400
using a vocabulary common to all curious

795
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:28,880
minds whatever their academic background

796
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:30,159
if any

797
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:32,240
we don't understand french yet why it's

798
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:33,600
never too late

799
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:35,200
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806
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807
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813
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814
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:24,630
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815
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:26,320
bringing you the science you need to

816
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,200
know

817
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:29,279
concerts nightclubs and music festivals

818
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:31,760
have one thing in common awesome music

819
00:27:42,390 --> 00:27:33,760
up very loud let's have a look at some

820
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:44,710
loud music at gigs nightclubs and music

821
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:47,039
festivals has some unexpected effects on

822
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:48,880
our behaviour including drinking and

823
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:51,279
drugs a french study has found that when

824
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,000
music was played at 72 decibels men

825
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:56,720
would consume around 2.6 drinks at a

826
00:28:02,070 --> 00:27:59,679
rate of 1 every 14 and a half minutes

827
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,080
but upping that music to 88 decibels

828
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,039
caused them to drink more 3.4 drinks and

829
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:07,679
quicker every 11 and a half minutes

830
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:09,919
so loud music actually makes you drink

831
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:12,320
more it also changes the way the drinks

832
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:14,559
taste a later study found that loud

833
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:16,320
music actually makes drinks taste

834
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:18,799
sweeter this could explain why we drink

835
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:23,590
the loud music also intensifies the

836
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:25,600
feeling caused by party drugs such as

837
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:28,159
ecstasy in a study using rats given a

838
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:30,559
low dose of mdma the active ingredients

839
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:32,399
in ecstasy it was found that the

840
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:35,360
addition of noise at 95 decibels

841
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:36,799
increased the electrocortical

842
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:39,440
stimulation in the brain above the level

843
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:41,919
of rats who had been given the mdma but

844
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:44,480
not exposed to the noise in addition the

845
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:46,799
neural activation lasted longer in the

846
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:48,880
rats had been exposed to the noise than

847
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:51,360
those who had not however the addition

848
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:54,399
of noise also increased mdma's toxicity

849
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:56,880
in the brain and heart the mechanism of

850
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:00,000
these effects is not understood and now

851
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:05,990
humans like music because it causes the

852
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:08,240
release of dopamine in the brain giving

853
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,720
a pleasurable sensation research shows

854
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:12,720
that humans respond more strongly to the

855
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:15,200
rhythm of low pitched tones explaining

856
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:17,360
why the beat of songs is usually a low

857
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,840
pitched sound it has been suggested that

858
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,760
your heart rate and music preferences

859
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:24,000
might be linked as people's heart rate

860
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,399
rises they tend to prefer fast-paced

861
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,399
music and a study carried out in

862
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,720
nightclubs by dutch scientists found

863
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:32,799
that releasing smells such as orange or

864
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:35,039
peppermint into the club increased the

865
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:37,200
amount that people danced and improved

866
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,520
their mood that's it for this week in

867
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:41,760
science for more information on music

868
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:44,720
and nightclubs go to the ros website

869
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:50,950
follow us on twitter at rios and like us

870
00:30:03,750 --> 00:29:53,039
on facebook i'm ben lewis and we'll

871
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:04,590
on

872
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:07,600
maynard.com have we got a show for you

873
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,679
today we've got sexual politics

874
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:13,679
for my cat we're going to reclaim

875
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:15,679
australia simply by marching on a public

876
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:17,919
holiday

877
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:21,600
we open your crank mail crank mail and

878
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:24,080
a sting that is dramatic for no apparent

879
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:29,990
that is dramatic i mean just listen to

880
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:37,830
it's freaking me out

881
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:39,440
little did they think that within the

882
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:41,360
years of the 21st century that people

883
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:44,080
would stop watching television

884
00:30:51,279 --> 00:31:03,990
hey you

885
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:05,190
i guess it's been a while since

886
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:07,200
astrology's come to blows really that's

887
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:08,640
that sort of done and dusted one or is

888
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:10,000
that just um

889
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:11,840
i think astrology sort of

890
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:13,600
i think everyone for a long time has

891
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:15,760
regarded as a bit of a fun thing you

892
00:31:19,510 --> 00:31:17,440
know they read the star in the in the

893
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:19,520
women's magazines it means magazines

894
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:21,200
never have star signs do they yeah

895
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:22,880
although when i've spoken to astrologers

896
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:24,320
i've always said it's just a way of

897
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:26,399
telling things so you know so and even

898
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:28,080
they look down on those magazines once

899
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:29,039
they go well you know you can do an

900
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:30,320
individual one for someone and you're

901
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,559
basically doing almost a psychic reading

902
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:34,559
in some ways i i remember hearing one of

903
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:36,000
your interviews actually way back when

904
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:37,760
other skeptics were you interviewed

905
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:39,519
english astrologer that that might have

906
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,679
been uh jessica adams so i always enjoy

907
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:43,440
talking about this kind of thing and as

908
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:45,279
i tell people she's in she's internally

909
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:46,399
consistent

910
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:48,080
internally i'm glad that her guts are

911
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:50,480
working well um that she was saying we

912
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:51,679
really don't need the stars or the

913
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:53,440
planets and things anymore and it goes

914
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,720
beyond that you think well

915
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:56,159
what is it there what is astrology and

916
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:58,159
then if you don't use those sort of

917
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:00,799
tools of the trade is it just like a

918
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:02,720
friendly person over the bar here at the

919
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:04,960
forest lodge hotel you know hearing your

920
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:06,320
problems and discussing them with you

921
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:07,760
and sort of helping you out is that what

922
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:09,519
the structure is is that what a sidekick

923
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:11,440
is is that what a psychiatrist is is

924
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,679
that where your neighbor over the fences

925
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:15,279
so i mean it's interesting to think how

926
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:16,559
can you be astrologer without using

927
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:17,840
those tools and i think that's what she

928
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:19,279
was actually saying you don't have to

929
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,960
use those particular

930
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,320
you know the alignment of the planets

931
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,480
and those constellations etc

932
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:26,880
now with the latest issue of these and

933
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:28,480
is it getting more difficult to be the

934
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:30,720
editor for a skeptical magazine or is

935
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,919
the field that you're interested in

936
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,760
getting so wide that it's getting more

937
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:35,039
confusing as to what you're going to do

938
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:36,320
each month

939
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:38,720
um it can be confusing i mean it's a

940
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:40,480
it's a we rely heavily on people

941
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:42,080
contributing like yourself maynard with

942
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:43,840
your interviews etc including the

943
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,840
interview of tim ferguson that's it see

944
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:47,279
i always feel guilty because i'm i

945
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:48,799
because i can't write i just end up

946
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:50,720
giving you an mp3 powerful which you've

947
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:52,080
got to transcribe and i feel a bit

948
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,240
guilty about that but i hate writing so

949
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:56,159
the guilt soon goes yeah thank you

950
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:57,200
magnet

951
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:58,880
we do have people who send in hand with

952
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:00,320
handwritten

953
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:02,640
articles which you have to type

954
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,640
i know i'd say they tend to be the ones

955
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:06,960
that go in last um

956
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:08,399
as far as the contents go i always like

957
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:09,679
to give a mix

958
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:11,440
um these days

959
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:12,799
i mean this

960
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:14,320
used to be a lot of silly stuff you know

961
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:15,840
fun silly stuff but i like to have a

962
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:18,080
mixture of the serious discussions of

963
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:20,159
why people believe and how they believe

964
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:21,919
and then getting the silly stuff as well

965
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:23,360
for instance we've got an article a

966
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,559
series of articles the ones about

967
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:26,240
cognitive dissonance

968
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:28,080
right about understanding and how people

969
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:30,159
can be confused like confirmation bias

970
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:31,519
and all those sort of buzz words they

971
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:32,960
use and then we've got an article that

972
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:34,480
finishes off a feature on

973
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:36,559
food yeah it's about april fool's jokes

974
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,960
oh yeah yeah which are just getting

975
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:40,320
beyond the pale these days because it's

976
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:41,760
with the internet it's so easy to do

977
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:43,200
them and they sit on the internet and

978
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:44,960
can fool you years later that's right

979
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:46,159
white people's jokes have been around

980
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:47,840
you know urban myth has been around here

981
00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:49,279
for a long time as long as they've been

982
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,240
urbans but i mean keith or otherwise but

983
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:54,480
i mean um this article is basically

984
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:56,159
there's a great uh website called the

985
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:58,480
museum of hoaxes oh you should have a

986
00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:00,159
look it's fabulous actually um but that

987
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:02,000
has a list of april fool's jokes i've

988
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:03,279
actually purloined some out of there

989
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:05,440
which is about the um

990
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:06,799
those april fool's jokes have a very

991
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:08,639
skeptical bit right it's a bit of

992
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,000
science bit of sort of monster and that

993
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:12,000
sort of stuff um and so that's what i

994
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,679
try and do some serious stuff and some

995
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:15,760
light stuff it's a nice mixture and

996
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:17,119
that's what makes it fun for me hey

997
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:18,960
we've got an issue here which goes from

998
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:20,879
cognitive dissonance and confirmation

999
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:21,919
bias

1000
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:23,280
through hippies

1001
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:26,240
ufos to jimmy page and what i like is

1002
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:27,440
that when it's skeptics at the pub

1003
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:28,879
nights when you are offering

1004
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:30,879
subscriptions for this a lot of people

1005
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,720
still want the hard copy

1006
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:34,800
they do yeah they do i mean i mean that

1007
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:36,079
that's an interesting thing it's like

1008
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:37,119
you know there's a lot of people who

1009
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:38,159
want to convert some people want to

1010
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:40,079
convert to digital actually quite a few

1011
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:41,599
who do they want to you know save space

1012
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:42,800
save trees

1013
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:44,639
that sort of thing um but at the same

1014
00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:46,320
time a lot some people are converting

1015
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:47,839
back because they just find they'd like

1016
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:49,760
to hold it in their hands you know and

1017
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,839
read it wherever they want to read it

1018
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:53,440
we're now offering a deal where you can

1019
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:54,879
get both

1020
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:56,159
you pay for the hard copy you can get

1021
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:58,079
the digital one for free and basically

1022
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:59,760
what happens there is that

1023
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:01,440
some people like to keep the digital

1024
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:02,880
then they take the hard copy and leave

1025
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:04,160
it in the waiting room of their local

1026
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:06,320
homeopath

1027
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:08,240
and also i want to encourage people too

1028
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,640
because you encourage people to write in

1029
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:12,560
or send emails in or even contribute to

1030
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:14,079
the magazine and you're still pretty

1031
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:16,320
open with that absolutely absolutely we

1032
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:18,079
have a very open mind and an open

1033
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:19,119
magazine

1034
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:20,880
um even dissenting views

1035
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,040
believe it or not really really yeah

1036
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:25,280
absolutely because the skeptics do get

1037
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:26,800
like a reputation as a bunch of

1038
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,400
naysayers that go around poo pooing

1039
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:30,480
things and um and whenever i talk to

1040
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:33,599
someone with the paranormal they tend to

1041
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:34,720
skeptics because they're just going to

1042
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:36,160
come in here and pour cold water on it

1043
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:37,680
immediately that that you do get that

1044
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:39,520
reputation sometimes tim

1045
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:42,160
oh not me i'm nice

1046
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:44,000
i don't want to be nasty to people they

1047
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:45,599
want to be nasty to me sometimes i mean

1048
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:46,720
so that's the interesting thing actually

1049
00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:48,000
because you know we get called they say

1050
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,760
and yet they're often the ones who

1051
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:51,119
can get abused some of them can get

1052
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:54,480
abusive you see that that worries me um

1053
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,359
it's

1054
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,200
the problem is the name as much as

1055
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:59,200
anything yeah and it's kind of like what

1056
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:00,720
else would you call it other than like a

1057
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:02,800
science club kind of name yeah i'd like

1058
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,599
um

1059
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,040
the good guys

1060
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:09,190
i'll try and think something the

1061
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:11,599
skeptical community has been since it

1062
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:14,079
existed trying to find another name for

1063
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:16,079
itself it's like they made an error if

1064
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,400
they first call themselves skeptics so

1065
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:20,400
do you think penn teller have helped the

1066
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:22,160
whole issue or they've clouded a bit

1067
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:29,910
they're interesting guys um

1068
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:34,230
um

1069
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,760
and sometimes you need that aggressive

1070
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:37,440
approach actually because sometimes you

1071
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:38,640
really just sit there and say do i

1072
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:40,000
really have to put up with it again

1073
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:41,359
right and

1074
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:42,960
sometimes you have to say no

1075
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:44,079
but then you get someone who's

1076
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:46,000
persistent and the people who you have

1077
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:47,680
physical battles with tend to be

1078
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:50,480
persistent and you you either confront

1079
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:51,359
them

1080
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:53,280
or you walk away and if you walk away of

1081
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:54,960
course then they say

1082
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:57,359
i won you lost you know and um so

1083
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:59,280
therefore you're constantly fighting a

1084
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:01,119
lot of battles some of them you win but

1085
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:02,720
then you can by walking away you can

1086
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:04,000
spend time on something that's more

1087
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:05,680
useful and you face the same problem

1088
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:07,119
there somewhere else i mean they're all

1089
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,960
useful things i mean if you stop someone

1090
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:10,240
one person

1091
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:12,560
from falling through either a ufo con or

1092
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:14,800
a psychic con or a health con which

1093
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:17,440
could personally help hurt them either

1094
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:19,680
emotionally or financially or

1095
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:22,240
worse you know sort of their life then

1096
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:23,680
you've done something good if you help

1097
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:25,119
one person now you'd like to help a lot

1098
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:26,880
of people obviously because there's a

1099
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:28,720
lot of effort and sort of helping one

1100
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:30,560
person might be a very

1101
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:33,040
a poor pay off right but that's what

1102
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:34,640
it's all about it's a slow process it's

1103
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:37,520
a gradual process it's an uphill process

1104
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,160
but a what causes never appeal but good

1105
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:42,320
worthwhile cause and not uphill and that

1106
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:44,240
you still need to do it

1107
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,599
what sort of effect is things like

1108
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:47,520
skeptics in the pub had which is like an

1109
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:49,040
international thing and of course here

1110
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:50,640
in australia too they have it all around

1111
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:52,240
australia how has that helped the

1112
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:54,240
skeptical cause and changed it in your

1113
00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:56,240
view in the time you've been involved

1114
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:57,760
i think um we were talking about before

1115
00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:59,520
about barry being the archetype's gift

1116
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:01,680
yeah the old convulsion with the beard

1117
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:04,320
is that skeptics in the pub has a bigger

1118
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:05,839
mixture of ages

1119
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,760
it has a bigger mixture of genders and

1120
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:09,599
that's great a lot of younger people who

1121
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:11,040
are students and that sort of thing i

1122
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:12,240
mean the nice thing you're free you're

1123
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:13,760
free to turn up you have a few beers you

1124
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:15,119
have a chat with people now as someone

1125
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:17,040
who's seen a couple generations of this

1126
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:18,720
uh what do the younger people seem to be

1127
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:20,400
interested in skeptical wise that's

1128
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:22,079
different from the original people like

1129
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:24,560
barry when he founded it

1130
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:26,160
the interesting thing it's a very good

1131
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:28,000
question maynard um you have good

1132
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:29,680
questions man i've listened to your

1133
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:31,119
podcast before

1134
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:32,640
you know i've been flattering to you man

1135
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:35,040
that one was written for me

1136
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,720
um

1137
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:38,560
there it's almost it's not so much

1138
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:39,839
necessarily the topics although

1139
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:41,359
obviously the big topics are health and

1140
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:44,240
that sort of thing it's the medium or

1141
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:46,160
media that's being used to spread the

1142
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:48,400
message now once upon a time and this is

1143
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:49,760
sort of you know perhaps a bit of a

1144
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:52,400
cleft stick for us the skeptics strained

1145
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:55,119
skeptics was the only body doing this

1146
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:57,040
right and the skeptic magazine was the

1147
00:39:01,589 --> 00:38:59,680
only medium to spread this message and

1148
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:01,599
once every quarter someone would escape

1149
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:02,960
would come out of their cave and look

1150
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,839
around

1151
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,040
hopefully no one was looking and then

1152
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,960
grab the magazine and go running back in

1153
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:08,560
because it was a bit of a shame thing

1154
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:11,040
about being a skeptic you know

1155
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:13,520
with the newer movement the new skeptics

1156
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,800
are proud they actually wear t-shirts

1157
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:16,400
saying skeptic on them

1158
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:18,560
right um and that's shocking you know

1159
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,640
people can target you but you know i'm

1160
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:22,320
skeptic and i'm proud

1161
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:24,960
um i wear a black t-shirt

1162
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:27,599
um and uh so that's changed there was

1163
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:29,119
there was a certain confidence in the

1164
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:30,560
skeptical movements probably become a

1165
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:32,720
aligned it'll be dragged along in some

1166
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:34,720
cases like the atheist movement has

1167
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:36,560
people are outspoken and they say i'm a

1168
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,599
skeptic

1169
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:39,200
i'd like a different name for it but i'm

1170
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:40,320
a skeptic

1171
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:41,280
and

1172
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:42,720
that's been a big change

1173
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:45,200
the the the confidence the outspokenness

1174
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:47,040
they're willing to be there also that

1175
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:48,880
means also confrontation

1176
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:50,560
and we're on the front line and we have

1177
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:51,839
to be prepared that being on the front

1178
00:39:55,829 --> 00:39:53,040
line

1179
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:55,839
has a price to pay and that's

1180
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:58,800
where more a bigger target

1181
00:40:01,270 --> 00:40:00,000
and the younger people are more ready to

1182
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:01,280
mix it up on the social media aren't

1183
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,160
they

1184
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:04,560
very much so much so i mean in my time

1185
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:06,400
that's the big change yeah the the

1186
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:07,920
medium that is yeah in the old days it

1187
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:09,920
was a hard copy magazine

1188
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:12,400
or over dinner and now it's the

1189
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,160
information is out there in a second the

1190
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,160
people can be

1191
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:18,000
raised up to the point of anger or

1192
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,359
something by a few tweets and they'll

1193
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:21,359
buy a few sort of facebook pages that

1194
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:22,640
sort of thing

1195
00:40:26,310 --> 00:40:24,480
so the message spreads very quickly

1196
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:26,320
message does not necessarily spread to

1197
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:27,680
the same depth

1198
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:29,599
so it's written quantity

1199
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:32,079
not always in quality um that's the

1200
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:33,280
problems with tweets and that sort of

1201
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:34,880
thing you can't say a lot in 140

1202
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:36,000
characters

1203
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:39,040
so how come there hasn't been something

1204
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:41,599
that's culturally popular

1205
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:44,000
that's skeptical like chariots of the

1206
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:45,040
gods

1207
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,960
like i know studying science at uni is

1208
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:48,960
just as popular as it's always been but

1209
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:50,960
in popular culture there's not been a

1210
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:52,720
movie that's going oh sorry that wasn't

1211
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:54,079
what you thought it was but then you got

1212
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:55,760
movies like i know what i saw that's

1213
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,640
right

1214
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:58,480
um there are people who are popular

1215
00:41:01,109 --> 00:41:00,000
suddenly you know people certainly the

1216
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:01,119
atheist movement like christopher

1217
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,040
hitchens and richard dawkins people like

1218
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:05,040
that who endorse the

1219
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:05,680
dawkins skeptics

1220
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:07,280
how to stir the pot about anything about

1221
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:08,560
anything that's right

1222
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:09,839
and by doing that he turns a lot of

1223
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:11,119
people off he sort of upsets them and

1224
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,720
that's what you have to do that's why it

1225
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:13,920
happens but

1226
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:15,440
romance sells more than you know

1227
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:18,880
chicklet is a bigger market than

1228
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:21,119
james joyce and there's a difference

1229
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:23,839
there between the the message and how

1230
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:25,520
um people it's probably part of the

1231
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:26,880
problem that people say skeptics is a

1232
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:29,920
bit of a dream breaker

1233
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:31,839
yeah yeah the buzz kill

1234
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:33,359
buzz kill yeah i mean uh they were

1235
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:39,430
never played to the floods though

1236
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,640
someone like me because you've got lots

1237
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,560
of podcasts out like i enjoy

1238
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:44,560
being on the skip exam i enjoy skeptics

1239
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:46,160
guide the universe i enjoy cognitive

1240
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:48,000
distance but i also enjoy the high side

1241
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,280
chats that's

1242
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:51,280
out there stuff like red ice radio and i

1243
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:52,960
enjoy the no agenda

1244
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:55,359
approach to the news too and do you

1245
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:58,400
think you can enjoy both sides like that

1246
00:42:01,829 --> 00:42:00,079
yeah absolutely i enjoy both sides yeah

1247
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:01,839
as i say i'm a fan of the loch ness

1248
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:04,160
monster i i've been there three times

1249
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:05,680
right i mean how many people do you know

1250
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,960
who've been there like this three times

1251
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:08,560
i've only been there twice myself

1252
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:10,319
there we are say i beat you right now

1253
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:11,599
and have you been at the hotel on the

1254
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:13,839
south side which served great lamb chops

1255
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:16,079
i don't know but i think the next time i

1256
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:18,000
will okay you absolutely should uh that

1257
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:20,240
hotel was actually where one of the key

1258
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:21,680
films of the loch ness monster was

1259
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:24,079
filmed from yeah you know true the the

1260
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:25,920
tim dinsdale film oh yeah yeah yep yep

1261
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:27,200
it turned out to be a boat but i mean

1262
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,560
it's um that was where that was filmed

1263
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:30,319
from they were actually inside the hotel

1264
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:31,680
having their lamb chops and someone said

1265
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:32,880
it's out there so they've been rushing

1266
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:34,400
down with their cameras so we're going

1267
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:35,680
to point people towards the skeptic

1268
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:37,520
magazine here now what's the website to

1269
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:39,760
go to it and to subscribe and also

1270
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,520
people can meet you at every skeptics in

1271
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,920
the pub in sydney and sign up live there

1272
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:45,760
as well absolutely they can they can

1273
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:46,960
sign up wherever they want actually in

1274
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:49,040
this modern social media oriented world

1275
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:50,319
and of course i believe we're actually

1276
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:52,319
doing a skeptic zone live at the august

1277
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:55,040
skeptics in the pub are you really yes

1278
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:56,960
skeptic zone live

1279
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:58,240
be fantastic i look forward to that

1280
00:43:02,550 --> 00:42:59,760
actually especially look forward to you

1281
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:02,560
maynard look yeah i will be uh i'll look

1282
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:03,440
and look

1283
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:04,800
i still really want to meet eric von

1284
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:06,400
danic and he's like he's like i know

1285
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:08,800
he's like the isaac asimov of that genre

1286
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:10,160
no i'm looking forward to seeing you at

1287
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:11,760
that pub but the other guy can go but i

1288
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:12,960
mean

1289
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,720
look and every once in a while you bring

1290
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,480
along your old crappy paranormal books

1291
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:18,240
and give them away oh we did that it's a

1292
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,560
fellow from now i had this eight boxes

1293
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:22,400
of old books and then they're awful

1294
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:23,839
books and

1295
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:26,079
my wife got very upset as i was sitting

1296
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:27,760
in one of our rooms eight boxes heavy

1297
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:29,200
boxing up the drain stinking up the

1298
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,720
joint they're all about sort of 50 years

1299
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,040
old the entire von danican set

1300
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:35,280
wow was there and yeah but ray for

1301
00:43:39,470 --> 00:43:38,319
skeptical books but yeah skeptics

1302
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:39,480
url

1303
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:40,880
skeptics.com.u it's pretty

1304
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:42,079
straightforward you can go and read a

1305
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:43,760
lot of stuff you can read back issues to

1306
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:45,920
the magazine for free anything which is

1307
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:48,079
more than 12 months old is on there and

1308
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:49,119
we're pretty soon going to have the

1309
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:52,400
entire history 35 years of skeptic

1310
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:53,680
magazines up there we've got a few in

1311
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:55,119
the early days which have to be scanned

1312
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,760
at the moment but yeah skeptics.com.u

1313
00:44:01,030 --> 00:43:59,440
any issue which is older than 12 years

1314
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:01,040
old you can get there you can subscribe

1315
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,960
there and you can sign up to events and

1316
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:04,400
various things and get all the news you

1317
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:07,040
want and in-depth stuff as well and

1318
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:09,119
that's part of the important things and

1319
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:10,800
don't be a stranger drop him an email

1320
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:12,160
they would love to hear from you either

1321
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,800
side and uh if there was an other you

1322
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:16,800
would like that other to be in the shape

1323
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:18,079
of a worm

1324
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:19,760
i think so definitely a worm with a few

1325
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:39,109
australian skeptics sydney dinner autism

1326
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:42,480
myth and reality there are a few medical

1327
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:45,839
conditions as widely misrepresented as

1328
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:49,200
autism spectrum disorder asd

1329
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,800
conspiracy theories myths and amateur

1330
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,960
diagnosis abound

1331
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:56,640
confusing those who seek to know the

1332
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,359
reality and the latest science-based

1333
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:01,440
thinking on this condition

1334
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:03,520
the next sydney skeptic's dinner will be

1335
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:06,800
on the 20th of june and will feature

1336
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:09,200
nicole rogerson the founding director

1337
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:12,960
and ceo of autism awareness australia a

1338
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:15,520
national not-for-profit organization

1339
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:18,160
which she set up in 2007. nicole is a

1340
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:20,560
frequent speaker on autism in the media

1341
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,599
and in 2011 she was asked to present the

1342
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:25,680
work created for autism awareness

1343
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:27,920
australia at the un where the

1344
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:30,400
organization was inducted as a member

1345
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:31,680
ngo

1346
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:33,280
nicole said on the federal government's

1347
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:36,400
autism advisory board and continues to

1348
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,400
work for better access and government

1349
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:41,040
support for evidence-based intensive

1350
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:43,599
early intervention programs for children

1351
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:45,839
with autism no one will give you a

1352
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:48,319
better understanding of the myths and

1353
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:49,440
reality

1354
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:51,440
of autism the dinner will be held at the

1355
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,640
ride eastwood's league's club west ride

1356
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:56,480
tickets are only fifty dollars including

1357
00:46:03,109 --> 00:45:58,240
a buffet dinner

1358
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:04,710
the australian skeptics dinners in

1359
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,319
sydney have been going for many years

1360
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:08,640
now and i encourage all skeptics own

1361
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:10,960
listeners in the sydney area to book

1362
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:13,599
your ticket quick come along and enjoy

1363
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:16,000
this very interesting evening and a

1364
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:36,150
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1365
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:38,240
zone and thank you maynard for that

1366
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:39,119
really

1367
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,280
there that interview with tim mendem

1368
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:45,359
from australian skeptics don't forget

1369
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:46,640
you can subscribe to the skeptic

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mentioned in the interview with tim

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bendum

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in uh at the skeptics in the pub here in

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